FiiO M17

I had previously M15 in my stable, as I own planars had to go with something with even more power to properly drive them. Cant express how happy I feel, this DAP has even bigger stage, more natural sound, highs and lows extend way more, its a detail monster with so much more power under hood. Price considering what it offers is a bargain, this one is putting Astell Kern and Ibasso in difficult position, as they have nothing to put against this one especially at this price. Even with higher price they have nothing on a table like this as it offers deskop like quality in transportable device. Go for it, its an end game DAP🎧

Worked fine until after a week of no use, I tried to turn the unit on and nothing, dead. Tried charging and still nothing. After less than 6 months ownership this is very bad.

The joy of the Lord is my strength thank you Jesus a perfect dynamic device.Update the sound is not as dynamic as the ibasso dx320 with amp12 mk3. But the soundstage is bigger on m17.

I have been using the FiiO M17 for a couple of months now with a pair of Denon AH-D9200 (and occasionally the AH-D7200 and Sennheiser HD650) and I have to say I have been impressed from day one by the audio capabilities of the M17. I must stress that I don’t use any of the features, the Bluetooth and WiFi have never been turned on, I don’t use streaming services, I don’t watch videos, I haven’t downloaded any apps and so on. I have two 1TB micro sd cards filled with music varying from CD quality up to DSD256, with the variety ranging from death metal to chamber music to dub reggae to all kinds of folk and world music and beyond. The M17 is just so in control of the music, it produces an extremely low noise floor, stunning micro and macro dynamics, completely natural timbre, harmonic complexity, stunning decay of notes, wonderful spatial characteristics and a lot more besides. I recently added the iFi Power Elite which has taken everything up a few more levels, the realism, dynamism and the music’s power to shock and surprise is particularly impressive now. My only complaint is for some strange reason the M17 isn’t the best at proper alphabetising but this is a minor quibble for such a supremely capable music player. Highest recommendation.

Update march 2023****BE WARNED DO NOT USE THE FIXED LINE-OUT WITH HEADPHONES. ******WHEN USING THE VARIABLE LINE OUT SET THE VOLUME VERY LOW AND FIND WHAT LEVEL SUITS YOU AND YOUR HEADPONES********DEFAULT LINE-OUT IS FIXED. NEED TO CHANGE THIS IN SETTINGS TO VARIABLE LINE-OUT****THE M17 SHOULD THEN SOUND WORTHY OF ITS PRICEStill trying to get the best out of this player and I have discovered that using the variable line out option with headphone gives a far superior sound. In fact it sounds amazing (hence added a star). I think this is because line outputs are not using the full THX amplifier module which in headphone output mode is giving a hardwired equalisation to the THX standard, which I think is poor sound for audiophiles. I could have got to this much quicker if FIIO had better documentation. In my opinion the THX amp function lets the DAC section of the M17 down. Unless you are a real nerdy audiophile steer clear of the M17.SUMMARYI have owned and heard a large number of music players and overall the M17 is definitely one of, if not, the best available with potential greatness. However its default playing modes are its worst and don't justify the cost. The primary problem for me is the THX internal amp in the M17. The THX standard is arguably a fixed audiophile standard that doesn't suit certain headphones with mid to high range lift (Grado for one). To me in this mode it sounds only as good as some rivals costing half the price. This player sounds amazing when you play headphones through the variable line output mode (PLEASE SEE MY WARNING ABOVE) as this misses out the THX processing that cannot be turned off by any other means. It also sounds amazing through external dedicated headphone amps (in this case you can, and probably should, use Fixed line output). It does have a few operational quirks not expected at this price such as occasionally dropping wifi, taking 10 seconds to access a fast SD card amongst others. It is also not really portable. Bottom line is that it's only worth buying if you are a very technically nerdy audiophile who is happy to work really hard to get the maximum out of it.Here are my views and I am being very critical as for £1,500 I do expect everything to be heading towards perfection.ProsThe musicality can be outstanding through fixed/variable line-out, but performance varies greatly with different headphones in headphone output mode See Cons.The DAC processing is exceptional giving this player the potential to be a fantastically musical performer and it may sound that way to you. See Cons.Great build quality.Lovely simple intuitive interface (best bloat free Android I have ever come across).Every connection possibility you can imagine.Comes with cooling stand.Decent leather case, but a bit industrial looking.ConsPotentially the amplifier module: In portable players the internal amplifier is always a compromise. To me the sound from this amp does not make the best of the excellent DAC processing of the M17. Initially the sound is literally startling, but after a short time I find that each note is so strongly etched that my tiny brain can never settle on a rhythmic flow, or a particular musical path through the mix and this dramatically reduces the musical enjoyment. In essence my mind has to try too hard to process music in which each note is perceived as as important as all the others and this isn't the intent of any musician and consequently listening is a bit 'unnatural' and fatiguing. However when I connect the M17 to one of my desktop amps or my portable amp (IFi Can) the musicality becomes outstanding. Everything just calms down a bit and the flow of music that is partly produced by the varying emphases of notes returns without any reduction in detail or soundstage. The music became integrated, more natural, more dynamic, more rhythmical and flowed far more than with the internal M17 amp module. With an external amp the M17 is the best sounding DAP I have ever heard and I've heard a few around this price or higher. I know this is a very personal take and don't let this put you off trying this DAP as this may not be important to you so treat it more as a warning than a absolute criticism.Inconsistent performance with headphones. I tried 5 pairs of headphones all with different characteristics from a bass emphasis to linear studio monitors and on to mid-range emphasis with Grado cans; prices ranged from £100 to £1,000. To get the best from each pair using the internal M17 amp I had to have different setting for each and some liked the player more than others, however If I played them all through my external amps they all sounded fantastic with no adjustment. Hmmmmmm... me thinks the amp may be the problem again. As mentioned in my update playing all of these headphones using the variable line-out mode solved all problems and they all sounded amazing.The enhanced headphone modes can make can increase the analytical and dry sound through some headphones (I found the High gain setting best for my lower impedance headphones). This is also true through the line out modes and again suggests an issue in the amp module design.Good performance, but is a bit slow at reading contents of my fast SD card (no problem when playing music). Also have occasional wi fi drop outs when all other network devices are working fine.Not a replacement for a good quality desktop streamer. Having desktop DACS within I expected that plugging the M17 into my high quality main amplifier and floor standing speakers that it would at least compete with my Cambridge Audio 851N streamer (around £800). However there was no competition. The M17 sounded very flat and 'weak' compared to the desktop streamer. Although I didn't expect it to be a good I was quite disappointed in how relatively poorly the M17 performed. So the M17 is not a one device does it all solution to all home or portable based musical systems.Runs warm so really needs to have a bit of space around it.Buttons seem to operate the wrong way around. back button at the top and volume up using the volume wheel is to the left! Not a big issue but it takes some getting used to.Screen protector seems to reduce the sensitivity of the screen a little. Being picky, but at £1500 it should be perfect.Its not on-the-go portable. Given what I have said you can see that dropping it into a bag and listening on the move may be rather tricky. It can also run quite warm so if make sure there is no chocolate in your bag otherwise it could get messy.Side lights - Don't see the point and irritating if listening in the dark, especially to you partner.Fan on the stand is too noisy and may irritate others around you. You can do some DIY and replace the fan, but why should you!FIIO player app has no search facilities.Here are my notes regarding the M17 perfomance with my headphones.All headphones seemed to sound best using the High gain setting. The Enhanced headphone gain settings just highlighted the issues mentioned. Always played with the equaliser flat. Quick summary of each headphone's measured frequency response is given in brackets.Sennheiser hd25 (generally linear small lift around 3KHz but then drops off). Best with balanced output. Sounded Fantastic. 5 stars.Meze classic 99 balanced with M17 amp headphone output mode. (Slight lift from 1Khz but drops at 7KHz). Lost the characteristic Meze slightly warm smoothness and holistic sound 3 stars.Meze Unbalanced with M17 amp headphone output mode. Improved over balanced output. 4 stars.Meze with Portable Amp. Went from way back in the concert hall to front seat. More palpable instrumentation more dynamic and rhythmical. Showed that the meze are not slow response but able to inject a rhythmical urgency that was missing with the m17 amp. 5 starsGrado 325e (Lifts from 1Khz to 12Khz) Unbalanced output headphone output mode. Great sound but with occasional hardening on high crescendos 4.5 stars.Grado 325e More musical through line out into my Ifi Can portable amp. (5 Stars).Grado RS2 headphone output mode (Undulating lifts after 1Khz to 15Khz) - Always sounded a bit clinical with an unnatural ring to piano and a slight uncomfortable edge to treble. 2 Stars.Grado RS2 Sounded fantastic when played using line-out to my IFi Can portable amplifier (5 Stars)Fixed line-out to Audio-Pro ADDON T3 portable speaker - fantastic, amazing sound 5 Stars.Fixed line out to Little Dot Valve amplifier - doesn't suit the Meze 99 Classic, but all other headphones were more musical than with the M17 amp (5.5 to 6 Stars)all headphones using variable line-out mode. - All improved dramatically. No harshness, more separation. In this mode the musicality of the FIIO stopped being headphone dependent and just made the best of every pair I used.For me this suggests that the internal amp has a non-linear response in the treble region that may not suit headphones or IEMs' with certain frequency responses in this region such as some Grado headphones. It also seemed like the balanced output and enhanced headphone gain settings made this characteristic a bit more prevalent. This is probably part of the THX amp certified sound and it just isn;t good enough for top range hifi.

When ordering this I felt pretty sure it would struggle to justify its price tag snd I’d send it back. I’m keeping it. It is so much better than the very good Fiio M15. Superb sound especially when matched with decent iems or headphones. Desktop quality DAC/Amplification and a close match for the Chord Hugo2 which has far fewer features. It’s more transportable too though quite chunky. Why pay the absurdly high prices of their main A&K competitor?

Excellent sound quality, plenty of power works well with my Sony Z1R'S, Sony M7's and Fiio FD7's. Using this more than my ibasso dx 300 max. Only bad thing I've found is the cooling fan ( only needed in DC ultimate mode) is way too noisy, but easily sorted by changing the fan for a brushless one , better air flow and practically silent !So good I've bought another one to leave at work, you can afford to do this when your kids have grown up and no longer sponge off the bank of dad !! Happy days !!